The i-Technology Media!
Register | Log in
   
 
.NET  ·  AJAX  ·  CLOUD  ·  ECLIPSE  ·  FLEX  ·  OPEN WEB  ·  iPHONE  ·  JAVA  ·  LINUX  ·  OPEN SOURCE  ·  ORACLE  ·  PBDJ  ·  SEARCH  ·  SILVERLIGHT  ·  SOA  ·  VIRTUALIZATION  ·  WEB 2.0  ·  WIRELESS  ·  XML
Comments
Drool, Britannia? Is the UK Failing the Cloud?
By Roger Strukhoff
Richard Davies wrote: The UK has a good crop of technology pioneers in cloud computing - for example ElasticHosts, FlexiScale, Flexiant, OnApp - and also some strong government initiatives such as G-Cloud. We will have to see whether this kind of technical leadership converts into swift mass-market adoption or not.
Jan. 8, 2012 11:38 AM EST
read more & respond »
Cloud Expo on Google News
Did you read today's front page stories & breaking news?

Cloud Expo & Virtualization 2011 West
Keynotes
Oracle
Opening Keynote | An Enterprise Cloud for Business-Critical Applications
Abiquo
Day 2 Keynote | The Enterprise Cloud Tightrope - Balancing for Success
Akamai
Day 3 Keynote | The DNA of an Enterprise Cloud
DIAMOND SPONSOR:
Oracle
Many Clouds, Many Choices'Cloud
PLATINUM PLUS SPONSORS:
Abiquo
Enterprise Cloud Best Practices - Town Hall - Join the discussion…
PLATINUM SPONSORS:
Intel
Progressing Toward the Federated, Automated and Client-Aware Cloud
New Relic
How to build an app with Twitter-like throughput
Rackspace
Computing in the Cloud Era
GOLD SPONSORS:
Gale Technologies
Practical Cloud Migration
IBM
Re-think IT. Re-inventing Business.
Intel/McAfee
Identity Driven Security in the Cloud
PerspecSys
Hackers Hackers Everywhere, Is My Public Cloud That Safe?
Red Hat
Unlock the Value of the Cloud
SHI
Mission Critical Applications and the Cloud - Myth or Reality?
SoftLayer
Not Your Grandpa's Cloud
Terremark
Integrating Enterprise Clouds
VMware
Upgrade to a vCloud
POWER PANELS:
Cloud Expo Silicon Valley: CTO Power Panel
Cloud Expo Silicon Valley: CEO Power Panel
Cloud Expo Silicon Valley: Cloud SuperStars Panel
Cloud Expo Silicon Valley: CloudNOW Panel
Click For 2010 West
Event Webcasts
Cloud Expo & Virtualization 2011 East
DIAMOND SPONSOR:
Dell
Dell & VMware Deliver the Enterprise Hybrid Cloud
PLATINUM PLUS SPONSORS:
Abiquo
Are Financial Services Organizations Risking Security by Avoiding Cloud Computing?
Oracle
From Consolidation to Enterprise Private PaaS
PLATINUM SPONSORS:
Intel
Driving the Transformation to Next Generation Cloud Data Centers
Rackspace
The Inevitability of an Open Cloud
GOLD SPONSORS:
CA Technologies
Follow YOUR path to Cloud Computing
Interxion
Who Keeps the Cloud in the Air?
Microsoft
Patterns for Cloud Computing
PerspecSys
War in the Clouds: Are you ready?
ServiceMesh
The Big Win: Stop Playing Small-Ball with Your Cloud Strategy
Terremark
Evaluating Enterprise Clouds
Xiotech
Cloud Storage: Myths and Realities
POWER PANELS:
Cloud Expo New York: CTO Power Panel
Cloud Expo New York: CEO Power Panel
Cloud Expo New York: CMO Power Panel
Cloud Expo New York: Wrap-Up Power Panel
Click For 2010 West
Event Webcasts
Live Google News by SYS-CON!
Top Three Links You Must Click On


i-Technology News
i-Technology Viewpoint: Thoughts on the Java Community
Where Has the Respect Gone in the Java Community?

By: Duncan Mills
Jul. 8, 2005 06:00 AM

Community was a recurring theme at JavaOne, this year, and indeed at many of the Java User Groups that I've participated in recently. The Java Community (with a big C): a global tribe converging on programming nirvana where all is open, free and yet somehow affords us all a decent living.

The community vision itself is not something I have a beef with, indeed I like to belong, I like to contribute, and importantly I can afford to - so I do. The community raised me, so to speak, nurturing me through technology transitions, and delivering timely advice through the "Village Voice" of the search engines and forums. I feel obliged and happy to give a little back. But something is rotten in the state of Denmark. We are gnawed by the cancer of bigotry and opinion - by a simple lack of respect.

Don't get me wrong, discussion, debate, opinion are all essential to a society. Likewise we must preserve the personal freedom to express a viewpoint, but it comes down to the old adage that with rights come responsibility. Is it reasonable to insult and mock those with differing viewpoints? To publicly denigrate a fellow community member or group because they use the wrong IDE, Framework or design pattern (in your opinion) shows ignorance and lack of respect.

If you think I'm doing something wrong then explain why, provide proof that an alternate way is better. For instance, I've been seeing blog postings recently saying how evil and retarded certain frameworks are, with absolutely no proof, metrics or reasoned arguments to back up the position. The authors having exercised the right to express an opinion but have not accepted responsibility for what they are pontificating on. To those that say I don't have to justify my opinion - wrong, you absolutely do have to justify it, that is the responsible and respectful thing to do. I might feel that an author may have a point, but how can I judge? Yes I can come to an informed decision by look at source or by running metrics, but why should I? If a flamer has not done that and has not provided reasoned proof then any opinion they express is essentially worthless.

We also need to work on language and attitude. Take for example that most impassioned of debates My IDE vs Your IDE. I for instance don't particularly like to use Ecipse, but please note that I don't hate it, I don't think its rubbish (or worse). It just so happens that I'm just not comfortable with it. JDeveloper suits the way I work so I use that. I still respect Eclipse as a tool; I'm in awe of the community effort that nurtures it and the ecosystem that surrounds it. I respect your preference for Ecipse, so just return the favor right?

What can the community do with those that do not offer respect and considered opinion? There has been a case of this recently on one of the open source frameworks user lists the proposal was made to ban an individual who was rude, insulting and generally spamming the list with nonsense. I found many of the reactions to this disappointing, - Just ignore it or set up a mail filter was a common solution. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Individuals have responsibility but so does society. To ignore this behavior shirks the responsibility we all have to develop and nurture the community as a whole lest it simply dissolve into anarchy. Any parent will tell you that a naughty child must be confronted and have the consequences of their actions made plain. This is no different and we have to consider, as Java passes its tenth birthday, that our community's difficult teenage years are looming. We're storing up a whole heap of trouble if this issue is not confronted and addressed by every one of us.

Author´s Note: I wrote this piece on the plane a few days back, before the tragic events of the 7th July here in the UK. Perhaps now it seems petty to be griping about this issue, but at the same time, the importance of the basic message is reinforced. Tolerance and respect are the highest of virtues and should extend to all aspects of our existence. Im deeply saddened by anyone whose adherence to dogma is more important than his or her respect for humanity.

Published Jul. 8, 2005— Reads 55,106 — Feedback 2
Copyright © 2005 SYS-CON Media, Inc. — All Rights Reserved.
Syndicated stories and blog feeds, all rights reserved by the author.
About Duncan Mills
Duncan Mills is senior director of product management for Oracle's Application Development Tools - including the JDeveloper IDE, and the Oracle Application Development Framework. He has been in the IT industry for the past 19 years working with Oracle, Java, and a variety of more obscure programming languages and frameworks along the way. Duncan is the co-author of the Oracle Press book: Oracle JDeveloper 10g for Forms and PL/SQL Developers - a Guide to Web Development with Oracle ADF.

Add Your Feedback

In order to post a comment you need to be registered and logged in.

Register | Sign-in

Reader Feedback: Page 1 of 1

#2
.NET From India commented on 22 Jul 2005

Trackback Added: Every Community needs it rules; A recent JDJ article highlights the need of rules and some kind of regulation mechanism to be sucessful. Though the article talks about the Java community, I am sure that this is true for all communities. If you disagree with

#1
digereedoo commented on 22 Jul 2005

I think the respect thing has nothing to do with java or programming or IDEs its a human thing.

I would love to see a comparison of 20 developers with eclipse coding the same project against 3 developers with a typewriter + an assistant to type it in and compile it.

That would be something to see and talk about!


Subscribe to the World's Most Powerful Newsletters
Subscribe to Our Rss Feeds & Get Your SYS-CON News Live!
Click to Add our RSS Feeds to the Service of Your Choice:
Google Reader or Homepage Add to My Yahoo! Subscribe with Bloglines Subscribe in NewsGator Online
myFeedster Add to My AOL Subscribe in Rojo Add 'Hugg' to Newsburst from CNET News.com Kinja Digest View Additional SYS-CON Feeds
Publish Your Article! Please send it to editorial(at)sys-con.com!

Advertise on this site! Contact advertising(at)sys-con.com! 201 802-3021

SYS-CON Featured Whitepapers

ADS BY GOOGLE

Breaking Java News
Riskonnect Taps Top Talent and Continues To Hire Rapidly in Atlanta and New Chicago Office
SIB Development & Consulting Joins With Dining Alliance to Cut Costs for Thousands of Restaurants
President Barack Obama to Deliver Remarks at Smithsonian Groundbreaking
New Coastal Look Headlines Wave of SeaPak Changes
Virtuoso® Adds Style & Grace to Its Prestigious Preview Program With the Addition of Armani Hotel Milano
Omnicom Establishes Resolution Media as Global Search Agency
Waterfront Bay Point Estate to Sell at Absolute Auction
WWE® Studios and Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment Strike Three Picture Deal
Gas Natural Inc. Announces Monthly Dividend of $0.045 per Share and Presentation at the CFA Society of Cleveland
CA Labor Commissioner Reaches $316,000 Settlement for Unpaid Wages

ADVERTISE   |   MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTIONS   |   FREE BREAKING-NEWSLETTERS!   |   SYS-CON.TV   |   BLOG-N-PLAY!   |   WEBCAST   |   EDUCATION   |   RESEARCH

.NET Developer's Journal - .NETDJ   |   ColdFusion Developer's Journal - CFDJ   |   Eclipse Developer's Journal - EDJ   |   Enterprise Open Source Magazine - EOS
Open Web Developer's Journal - OPENWEB   |   iPhone Developer's Journal - iPHONE   |   Virtualization - Virtualization   |   Java Developer's Journal - JDJ   |   Linux.SYS-CON.com
PowerBuilder Developer's Journal - PBDJ   |   SEO / SEM Journal - SJ   |   SOAWorld Magazine - SOAWM   |   IT Solutions Guide - ITSG   |   Symbian Developer's Journal - SDJ
WebLogic Developer's Journal - WLDJ   |   WebSphere Journal - WJ   |   Wireless Business & Technology - WBT   |   XML-Journal - XMLJ   |   Internet Video - iTV
Flex Developer's Journal - Flex   |   AJAXWorld Magazine - AWM   |   Silverlight Developer's Journal - SLDJ   |   PHP.SYS-CON.com   |   Web 2.0 Journal - WEB2
Apache   |   CMS   |   CRM   |   HP   |   Oracle Journal   |   Perl   |   Python   |   Red Hat   |   Ruby on Rails   |   SAP   |   SaaS

SYS-CON MEDIA:   ABOUT US   |   CONTACT US   |   COMPANY NEWS   |   CAREERS   |   SITE MAP
SYS-CON EVENTS:   |  AJAXWorld Conference & Expo  |  iPhone Developer Summit  |  Cloud Computing Conference & Expo  |  SOA World Conference & Expo  |  Virtualization Conference & Expo
INTERNATIONAL SITES:   India  |  U.K.  |  Canada  |  Germany  |  France  |  Australia  |  Italy  |  Spain  |  Netherlands  |  Brazil  |  Belgium
 Terms of Use & Our Privacy Statement     About Newsfeeds / Video Feeds
Copyright ©1994-2008 SYS-CON Publications, Inc. All Rights Reserved. All marks are trademarks of SYS-CON Media.
Reproduction in whole or in part in any form or medium without express written permission of SYS-CON Publications, Inc. is prohibited.
 
close this window